We talk a lot about this, but we rarely see it applied to throwing. Here’s a great example from judo — yoko guruma. The opponent comes in for the hip throw (and almost all styles have one or two of those) and then you borrow that force and throw the opponent down. It’s a nice spiraling motion.
It’s moves like this that CIMA doesn’t have (yet they use CIMA principles) that many of us on that side of the fence should be looking to acquire. Sometimes other people have come up with moves that fit our principles that we haven’t thought of. But who cares where it came from?
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1 Jay Gischer // Jul 28, 2008 at 11:54 pm
From what I’ve seen in CIMA, they don’t train falling down a lot, which means that there is a category of throws that can’t be trained.
There are the throws that are really unsafe without an utterly reliable breakfall, and there are the throws that rely on the mechanics you learned doing breakfall every practice session for a few years.
Internal principles still hold in these techniques. Running them through the “tai chi refinement mill” makes them better. I wouldn’t doubt for a moment that certain CIMA practitioners knew these throws or throws like them. Sun Lu Tang comes to mind.
All that being said, there are opportunities to use your opponents momentum against them in almost every throw or lock in judo. It’s subtle, but it’s there.
2 Joseph T. Oliva Arriola // Jul 29, 2008 at 1:19 am
Momentum and Guidance
This tape reminds me of two guys tumbling over a hill. The force generated carries not only the throwee but, the thrower. Centrifugal force, torque and gravity accelerate the two opponents past the “ability of their muscles” to control the collision.
In other words, the force of the circular throw has become a power unto itself. The opponents could stop the motion even if they tried.
I can drive and control a car. But, if I were out in front of the car it would run me over. As such, become knowledgeable of the “power”, its uses and its guidance.
3 Farting Monkey // Jul 29, 2008 at 2:04 am
that is some god-awful tai chi.
4 neijia // Jul 29, 2008 at 2:49 am
Good counter. Not sure about CIMA but sacrifice throws are not allowed in shuai jiao. Like all rules, that has both pros and cons, imo. I’d like to train with a bias for staying standing yet these are also similar to sweeps from a bottom ground grappling position so very useful to learn for overlapping 2 ranges.
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