Formosa Neijia

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• 1 Lu // Nov 22, 2007 at 10:38 pm

  you have passed from “the feeling of the chi” to this wrestler.

• 2 cmc // Nov 22, 2007 at 11:45 pm

  But Dave are you sure this is really unique. It’s interesting, I agree, but these kind of techniques are common to a number of systems.

• 3 Casey // Nov 23, 2007 at 7:49 am

  Well, it certainly is different. Looks kind of like the Fujian Dog Boxing or maybe some kind of Ditang-quan. In any case, looks more like the kind of ground fighting CMAs have traditionally favored as opposed to BJJ’s ground grappling. Maybe could be something to add to your arsenal… at the very least you’ll probably have a certain element of surprise on your side.

• 4 mo // Nov 23, 2007 at 5:41 pm

  looks like his takedowns depend on him going though the legs and spinning around to face up. i’m not experienced in ground grappling, anyone care to comment on possible weaknesses or is this a valid entry technique?

• 5 Casey // Nov 23, 2007 at 7:43 pm

  I’m not an experienced groundfighter, but my hunch is that the later ones in which he swings around to the side would be a bit more safe and effective . The ones where he goes straight through the middle look to me like they’d set off people’s sprawl reflexes and/or leave you vulnerable to a well-timed knee. I feel like the guy he’s demonstrating on kind of freezes up, so it’s hard to see whether he’s really fast enough to pull these off on an experienced, resisting fighter.

  My hunch is that an experienced grappler will be so used to people shooting down the middle like that, that even if the intention is different, they’ll likely have a good defense, in which case you’ll just end up on the ground with them on top of you and or grabbing your head and kneeing you. The side ones look like a somewhat safer way to get around the back and would also be less expected. Still, interesting stuff all around, but probably more useful as an occasional surprise trick to keep up your sleeve than as a general fighting strategy.

• 6 Dave Chesser // Nov 23, 2007 at 9:46 pm

  I agree that the side swing-around things are awesome. This guy certainly thinks of some cool stuff.

• 7 Brennan Cleveland // Nov 23, 2007 at 10:44 pm

  I am an experienced wrestler, and I thought only one of the takedown techniques seemed reasonable. It was the one at time -0:50 (50 seconds left in the clip) where he ended up perpendicular to the other guy and delivered a few knees to the stomach.

  Using a take down as a defense to an aggressive upper body striking attack is fine, but the techniques he shows here take so long to “get to the point” that I don’t think they are effective. Also, as stated above, the opponent just sort of freezes in place while Wong gets into position and performs the takedown.

  I guess they look cool, though

  Brennan

  (Oh yeah, I also think some of Master Wongs other stuff is pretty cool, this particular stuff seems pretty low percentage)

• 8 Andy Breton // Nov 26, 2007 at 8:30 am

  It reminds me a lot of harimau silat. This kind of silat presumes, I think, a different context than what we usually think of in ground work. In particular, in silat there’s a lot of “what does the guy on the bottom do if the guy standing steps”. Of course, that doesn’t make for as dramatic footage.

  Andy

• 9 Jose de Freitas // Nov 28, 2007 at 9:02 pm

  Silat also frequently has other assumptions, for instance that the ground is going to be slippery or muddy; that the other guy is suddenly going to spring a blade on you, etc… In a general way, even though the power training methods are not as neat as the CMA (because of those assumptions) the assumptions are more fight oriented.

• 10 Michael Lane // Dec 3, 2007 at 5:44 am

  a lot of this would be more effective if you hurt the guy first..just jumping through a dude’s legs after he took a swing at you?…most people good at punching don’t line up in a way where most of these things would be possible on a fresh guy. The opponent in the clip consistently squares himself…don’t even see dumb drunks doing that, imo. Also, these moves could get you killed by multiple attackers or a quick dude with a $3 pocketknife.

• 11 Flashback // Dec 9, 2007 at 9:41 am

  Well, itsn an interesstin technique..but i have to be honest, it make ma laght a bit. I wonder how a big sized person could apply some of that techniques. I dont think can be very easy to pass trught the legs of the opponent when i am 1.90 cm. I guess it could fit a little fighter..but after a while the main principle is quite prevedible and an experienced fighter could not fall in the trap so easily.

• 12 Jack Rusher // Dec 23, 2007 at 1:31 am

  [ Context: While not a high-level grappler, I competed successfully in freestyle and greco at school, have practiced shuai jiao, and currently study BJJ with Marcelo Garcia. ]

  I agree with Brennan’s comments about the “through the legs” technique; a grappler would stuff it with a sprawl.

  The “round the outside” takedown at 1:08 (the same one Brennan thought was reasonable) is a variation on a popular form of single-leg, though with some important technical differences. It can be made to work well, even against someone who’s trying to strike.

  Although the entrances are mostly ill-advised, some of the ways Wong uses his legs once he’s on the ground are quite similar to X-Guard sweeps (BJJ). Unfortunately, they wouldn’t work without investing significant mat time to learn how to get into the right position (diving through the legs is not it), and most of them are very dangerous outside of a pure grappling context.

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