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The Great Wall as a metaphor for CMA

June 26th, 2007 · 4 Comments · Theory

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This post is a joint venture between myself and Dojorat. He wrote the first part below (also at his blog) and I wrote the second. I hope you enjoy it.

From Dojorat:

The Great Wall As Metaphor:

Chinese Attitudes And The Martial Arts

When people in the West think of China, there is probably no better cultural icon that comes to mind than “The Great Wall”. Magnificent and monolithic in scale, the wall snakes it’s way across China’s northern frontier. The necessity of protection and pride of construction is reflected in inscriptions that remain in this ancient structure, which was begun as early as 221 B.C.

I began thinking about this when reading the May 21, 2007 issue of “The New Yorker” magazine. In his excellent article “Walking The Wall”, Peter Hessler describes his journey meeting some of the top researchers of The Great Wall. Here’s a paragraph that describes details of how the Empire attempted to keep the Mongol raiders out:

“ Consruction generally took place in the spring, when the weather was good but Mongol raiders weren’t active. Energy in the Mongol world was fat on the horses – So Spring was not a good season for raiding – Summer was too hot, they didn’t like the heat; they didn’t like the insects. The Mongol bowstrings were made of hide, and with the humidity they supposedly went flat- this is described in the Ming texts. Most raids took place in the Fall.”

Hessler describes how he walked with a backpack for over two days on the Wall without seeing another person. If you can get a copy, this article it is a great read.

What struck me is that Hessler states that “There isn’t a scholar at any university in the world who specializes in The Great Wall.” –He means even in China!

So here we have this huge cultural icon, The Great Wall, and not one university in China has a research staff documenting it. According to the article, there are a handful of Chinese hobbyists studying it, and some of the most detailed research is carried out by Westerners!

What I see here is a possible parallel to attitudes that we have seen in some aspects of the martial arts. The Great Wall often represents an insular and defensive society, one that keeps its secrets and plans for the long run. Martial arts in Asian culture appear to have the same qualities. Techniques were kept secret within family systems, and training of westerners was restricted to the basics only. This attitude has long since changed, at least on the surface. But just like the notion that some of the best researchers on The Great Wall are westerners, the martial arts (in my opinion) underwent changes when it was introduced to the west. I believe westerners like to take things apart, tinker with them and re-tool them. Look at how Ed Parker revolutionized Kenpo Karate, a style that was already a synthesis of Japanese and Chinese systems.

While preparing for this article, I thought it best to check in with someone who knows both cultures. That would be Dave over at Formosa Neijia. Dave is living and training in Taiwan, and I would like to turn this over to him so he can tell me if I am really off base or close to the mark. So with all due respect to Chinese culture, and hoping to avoid appearing ethnocentric, let’s see what Dave has to say—

My take on the Great Wall as a metaphor for CMA

Well, non-original and inbred thinking in academia isn’t exactly new, either East or West. Looking at Chinese intellectual history, independent thinking wasn’t exactly highly valued and was even considered subversive at times. And yet, some people broke the mold. The concept of plagiarism also simply didn’t exist in China culture until recently. Having edited academic journals for a living here in Taiwan, I can tell you that it’s an open secret that much of Taiwan “scholarship” is filled with plagiarism. But hey, you can’t plagiarize what hasn’t been written, can you? So if no studied the Great Wall, then no one after would be likely to do it either since there was nothing to plagiarize. Weird, eh?

Western scholarship looks down on plagiarism, but it’s just as inbred. In writing Ph.D’s for social science and humanities (the only fields I know about), original research isn’t as valued as showing you have a good grasp of already extent literature. So, again, if someone didn’t already study it, you are frowned on for wanting to write about it.

Martial arts wise, I think using the Great Wall as a metaphor does work to some extent, but it wasn’t always this way. Looking at the past, I always hold up praying mantis as a great style that was synthesized from 25 other great styles of the time. That took a lot of doing and shows some very creative thinking outside of convention. Whoever really put mantis together had to be an individual willing to upset some rice bowls.

Miyamoto Musashi is another great example. When I lived in Japan, I asked my iaido teacher about Musashi, who was a hero of mine. My teacher told me that most Japanese loathed him because Musashi stood for everything that was not Japanese — independent thinking would be my guess. And yet, Musashi simply didn’t care what they thought, which ironically is WHY we remember him and not those millions of sheep around him.

Having said that, I do see in recent times a great reluctance by traditional CMA guys (in the East or West) to break with recent conventions by testing themselves against others and adopting new training methods. IMO the reason is that we are once again at a crossroad for TMA’s — they will either adapt or take yet another big hit. The reason for the change this time is MMA and BJJ.

I’ve said many times that if you really want combat training or to learn just to use your art in general, you have MANY more opportunities to do that in the US than you do in China or Taiwan. We’re just 20 years behind here. Look at all the MMA/BJJ schools in the States. They are everywhere. Almost all of them have “open mat” sessions where ANY style can go in and roll/spar with their guys. Can you even imagine a traditional CMA school doing that?

I’m really disappointed in traditionalists lately. I see them slipping further and further away from reality and more into fantasy. So many traditionalists are retreating into their stupid orange robes and using their fantasy weapons. People still talk about what great fighters IMA guys were in the past rather than build skills today. Rather than cross-train in things they obviously don’t have, they use ridiculous styles like “dog boxing” as so-called examples of groundfighting in CMA. Funny how no actually TRAINS that crap. It’s really pathetic.

So if you’re looking at traditional CMAs, then yeah, the Great Wall is a good metaphor for what is happening right now in some areas.

And yes, there is a WHOLE LOT more sparring in the US as compared to Taiwan. I know of ONE traditional school in all of Taipei that does consistent sparring — the Tang Shou Dao school that I talked about before. Heck, even Shaolin-do in the States spars in almost every school. Again, it’s just pathetic. There’s simply no excuse for it.

But these traditional guys are just getting ignored by others who are more forward thinking. That’s as it should be. Sanda/sanshou is great and I hope it becomes more popular. MMA/BJJ is slowly taking root here and in China as the next generation once again gets tired of the secrets and BS from the traditionalists, just like their grandfathers did around 1911. Funny how that’s happening again.

So there is hope yet, but the West is leading the way in the fighting area. Perhaps the Great Wall will get torn down.

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4 responses so far ↓

  • 1 TheRule // Jun 26, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    Quote: “What struck me is that Hessler states that “There isn’t a scholar at any university in the world who specializes in The Great Wall.””

    Well, Hessler is wrong. Arthur Waldron for instance has written an excellent survey, ‘The Great Wall of China’ (1990, Cambridge University Press).

  • 2 JessO // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:28 am

    “But these traditional guys are just getting ignored by others who are more forward thinking. That’s as it should be. Sanda/sanshou is great and I hope it becomes more popular. MMA/BJJ is slowly taking root here and in China as the next generation once again gets tired of the secrets and BS from the traditionalists, just like their grandfathers did around 1911.”

    Dave I gotta beg to differ on this one point. I agree on many points about cloistered IMA folks who need to get out and get around.

    But MMA/BJJ is not martial arts. Sanda/Sanshou is not martial arts. These are sports. They cross over some of the same ground, but not very much.

    They have much more in common with hockey and ping pong than they do with martial arts.

    Sports are harder, require more effort, are more competitive, require more fitness, demand more of your time, require better coaching and have demand for much more precise skills.

    Martial arts is a much wider field, and much easier to practice and learn.

    You can do sports and martial arts individually but you won’t find much connection between them.

    It’s not a criticism of martial arts, but bottom line is that sports are a much more intense and demanding endeavor that require much higher fitness and skill.

    A little old lady can DO martial arts, as can a young child or a average man/woman.

    Sports require a competition with a winner and loser. Little old lady will lose every time.

    See what I mean? I believe MMA is the wrong acronym, because it’s a sport that has nothing to do with martial arts. NHB is a MUCH better term for what goes on in the cage.

    As for martial artists sparring each other more often, that’s a great idea, and should be encouraged. But sparring is only one of many drills within CMA, whereas sparring is the GOAL of a sport. This distinction is very very important and shouldn’t be glossed over, in my opinion.

    Just my personal axe to grind, nice post.

    Thanks,

    -Jess O

  • 3 Hermann // Jun 27, 2007 at 10:35 am

    Totally agreeing with Jess, it seems that TMA is understood as a western competitive sport by many noasays. But that is not what all practitioniers want, at least I gave up western sports, ’cause my dad as a swimming trainer made me hate the competitivness of the sport.

    Dave gave some categories of reasons for training/palying and the realistic fight, if I remember correct, was reason for only one group?

    The problem are the storries of unbeatable IMAists who never fight but dream off only.

    I am not ashamed to say that my sparring days are over, but still I like to practice IMA, just for yangsheng, nourishing life and having fun in moving around.

    And none of my swimming mates of early age is still doing any kind of body work, I do!

  • 4 cmc // Jun 28, 2007 at 9:20 am

    Is the western side of the wall realism and the eastern side fantasy?
    There’s also a lot more sparring in England than in Taiwan. I’ve been in clubs in England that have students begin sparring within a few weeks. In fact, there was so much emphasis on sparring that I saw students in these clubs fight no differently from any untrained person; except that they were more practiced and had a better understanding of distances.
    I’ve also been in clubs in Taiwan where no one spars, even after several years of practice, and in some cases far longer.
    I’ve heard so many lectures about the supposed superiority of one style over another, or the internal over the external, or CMA over other martial arts that when I hear this I know I must keep looking for another teacher.
    Reality differs from person to person. People study for many reasons, as I know you are aware. Fortunately there are honest and open minded teachers of CMA; they’re just difficult to find.

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