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Review of Adam Hsu’s Chen style DVDs

January 25th, 2007 · 9 Comments · Chen taiji, HuLeiJia taiji

I’ve been meaning to write a review of Adam Hsu’s Chen vdeos for some time. So here goes.

He has four Chen style DVDs out, one each on the following topics: a short form, laojia yilu, laoji paochui, and huleijia taiji.

All of the videos follow the same format. He gives an intro, basics are shown, the form is demoed, and then some applcations for some moves are given. These aren’t teaching tapes — nothing is done in a manner that you could pick up something from these tapes. They were produced for his Japanese fans and are meant to serve as video demos bascially. If you were his student, they would be excellent for reviewing.

The short form is what the WuTan people call an abstraction — a short form with many essentials for basic training. This form looks like many other short forms, nothing really special or worse about it IMO.

The laojia yilu shows how Hsu’s Chen style is very different from more commonly seen versions. His moves are tight and exhibit very little outward silk reeling motion. Reasons for this vary depending on who you believe. Some people say that his Chen style is heavily influenced by bajiquan — the main style that WuTan uses. I have been personally told twice by WuTan people that Chen style and bajiquan are basically the same thing. I have no comment on that. It should be noted, however, that xiao baji and related training ARE considered basic training for almost everything in the WuTan system. So some influence will be hard to discount.

Having said that, it IS possible to perform Chen style in a manner as to NOT display much obvious silk reeling. As the reeling becomes smaller, the moves appear more linear and tighter — exactly what Hsu shows. So his version on these DVDs can’t be so easily dismissed IMO.

The problem comes in when you consider that these tapes were unfortunately released in the States — NOT the market they were intended for. Adam Hsu is a very smart, very capable, very business-savy teacher (he used to sell insurance for a living) and he SHOULD understand the market for IMA. But releasing these tapes without a clear explanation of what he’s doing, knowing that it looks COMPLETELY different from most other Chen style out there, was not a good idea IMO.

Having obvious silk reeling in the beginning helps beginners because it’s easier to see and do the big movements. The strength of most of the village players, especially someone like CZL, is that they make things a bit more obvious, helping beginners see what they are missing. But this obvious silk reeling (helped by xinjia) has become the expected “look” of Chen style. A man as smart as Adam Hsu must be aware of this.

Consequently, the version done on the DVDs appears with no explanation as to why it looks so different, leading many people to believe it is incorrect or corrupted. And since he was the first to put Taiwanese Chen style on the market, the assumption is that all the Chen style done in Taiwan is like this. That’s simply incorrect and very unfortunate.

The huleijia DVD is a whole other animal. Some people in Taiwan consider it part of Chen style, a lot of people in mainland China do not. The form on the DVD (interestingly enough) looks more like the common village style of Chen than even his laojia does.

Huleijia taiji is very unusual in how it trains the body and is very deep. I have studied this system. Also, because of the range of training involved, it can look very different from teacher to teacher. My guess is that the first time someone sees it, their reaction will be “what the hell is this” but I would hope that people could keep an open mind. It’s a great style, but again, there is little to no context given on the DVD as WHY the style looks so different. Still, this disk is my favorite of the bunch and seems slightly more competently performed IMO.

While I respect Adam Hsu greatly, I really can’t recommend these DVDs except to the collectors out there that want every version of Chen style on the market. The lack of context via verbal explanation on the disk, few applications, and few details given on the moves make this DVD set less than it could be.

Sorry for the length.

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9 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Hermann Bohn // Jan 25, 2007 at 8:01 am

    No comment on his mabu-stances?
    For me, it’s a totally different alignment!

  • 2 chessman71 // Jan 25, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Hermann,
    The review was long enough! Haha.

    His stancework is different from most, that’s true. But the Hong Jun-sheng people use hrose stance as well, so I can’t really say anything is wrong with it. When I did Du’s version taiji, I don’t remember that many 50-50 mabu stances, but Adam Hsu seems to have changed his form according to his understanding.

    If people like his flavor, they might be able to get something out of the DVDs.

  • 3 Robert A. Figler // Jan 25, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    Dave:

    Adam Hsu, to my knowledge, does not perform the abstractions (condensed) forms that Liu Yun Qiao created. Abstracted here means, “taken out of”, i.e. taken out of the longer forms, yi lu and er lu.

    The shortened form Adam Hsu presents as a tape is referred to as a “linking form”. I believe this probably came from Du Yu Zhi rather than his own creation.

    I am less certain about the short form presented as hu lei jia.

  • 4 chessman71 // Jan 25, 2007 at 8:32 pm

    Robert,
    Sounds about right. It seems there are several abstractions/short forms done by various WuTan groups. I do believe that you’re correct that Adam Hsu’s version is different form the other WuTan abstractions.

    BTW, if I’m using the terminology incorrectly, lease feel free to let me know. I’m not used to referring to this stuff in the manner that WuTan does, so my usage may be incorrect.

    FWIW, I hope the Adam Hsu will produce a better set of DVDs to document his stuff. I hear he has lots to offer.

  • 5 tim // Jan 27, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Dave,
    Have you seen any of the baji players in Taiwan do kickboxing? Just curious.

  • 6 chessman71 // Jan 27, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Tim,
    No. That’s a bit of a strange question. Why do you ask? Have you seen some doing that?

  • 7 B_Wutang // Mar 22, 2008 at 5:08 am

    Does the the laojia yilu on the DVD look like Du Yu Zhi’s version? I do pretty much the same version of laojia yilu as Du Yu Zhi. Can I see Adam Hsu’s version anywhere on the internet? Just curious.

    Also, have you had a chance to see Adam Hsu’s pa-kua DVDs - or have any reviews?

    I am skeptical of DVDs - being that all of my instruction has been in class training with masters who’ve taught for many years.

  • 8 Hermann // Mar 22, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    B
    No, his Yilu has many flavors one can not see in Du. Also, his Huleijia is different from all I saw about it down south in Gaoxiong. I’ve got this 4 DVDs set as a present, wouldn’t have bought it myself, too strangly flavored, for my pure (and poor) Taiji background.

  • 9 Dave Chesser // Mar 22, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Adam Hsu’s material has largely become his own thing IMO. He’s changed many things and all his material has his own flavor. Nothing wrong with that, it depends on what you want.

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